It's Tragic: A Sympathetic Case for Elizabeth Poldark - Part II

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Heida Reed as Elizabeth Poldark in BBC's Poldark
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Hello friends! I must say, I was SO encouraged by the response to Part I of this post series! Thank you all so much for reading and discussing. It does my Poldark fan heart good :) That said, I'm excited to share Part II with you! Check out the first post linked above or here if you missed it.

As I mentioned before, when I began writing about the complicated character arc of Elizabeth Poldark, I quickly realized the content would be better suited to multiple posts. Like her or not, you can't deny that she's quite layered and discussable! My first post focused on the earlier days of Poldark – Elizabeth's decision to marry Francis, their ensuing unhappy marriage, and Elizabeth's resilience through it. She certainly isn't faultless in these early years, but I contend that she deserved better from the beginning. Francis thoroughly failed her in his role as husband and I don't blame her for feeling unhappy, trapped, and frustrated. She's a poster girl for her time period – always polite, mannerly, and betraying no strong emotion even when her mind is whirling. It was what she was raised to do and also what her practical nature demanded.

But now we come to when Elizabeth takes a less admirable turn. A change begins to unfold in her throughout the middle books and in Season 2 of the show. Circumstances and poor decisions both gradually chip away at her positive attributes and she becomes hard and resentful. And personally, I find it very tragic to watch. So, after Considerations 1 and 2 of the last post, here is a lengthy third consideration for reflection. (Warning: Thorough spoilers from books 3-4 and Season 2 are ahead!) 

Consideration 3: Elizabeth is never totally honest with herself and she lets bitterness into her heart, so very bad decisions and attitudes ensue
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As previously established, Elizabeth is almost always putting on a show. Unlike the free-spirited and passionate Demelza, Elizabeth keeps her true emotions under wraps and hardly ever says what's really on her mind. As I’m sure we all know, constantly putting on a show is exhausting. And if you do it long enough, you’ll almost certainly become a very confused and resentful human being. That’s what we see happen to Elizabeth, and it’s at the crux of why I find her such a tragic character. Her society and upbringing literally taught her that she needed to put on that show all the time, and she handles it with admirable forbearance at first. But in the process, she forgets how to be honest with herself and many others, and bitterness blooms in her heart at the same time. 

Elizabeth’s failing in the early days is that she holds onto whatever emotional intimacy she can get with Ross without seeming to accept that they shouldn’t interact in such a manner. It feels natural for her to go to him with sensitive things because her husband is such a loser, but she isn’t honest enough with herself to accept that what she’s doing is unfair to everyone. But the show emphasizes that things are changing when Ross makes an uncharacteristically emotional display of his love for Demelza as she lies near death of putrid throat. Seeing that, Elizabeth realizes that she no longer holds his heart like she used to and that doesn’t sit well with her, even if she can’t verbalize it right away. That’s certainly the moment in the show that her character slowly begins to shift, and while it’s not as obvious in the books, the putrid throat scare and little Julia’s death are still contributing factors. 

Elizabeth is undeniably grateful to Demelza for saving Geoffrey Charles from the illness and I think she also initially harbors deep guilt over Julia's death. Her desire for reconciliation with Demelza and Ross is sincere, but she also liked knowing that she had a place in Ross’s heart and doesn’t want to let go of that. I think that’s partly because Francis had so thoroughly failed as a husband up to that point and partly because resentment is starting to build in Elizabeth since she’s taken so much grief so far. Julia’s death puts a strain on Ross and Demelza’s marriage, so it’s easy for Elizabeth to start trying to win back Ross’s infatuation. I’m not even convinced she’s aware of it at first, but the dinner Ray Penvenen’s house is where it takes a serious turn. It’s there that she tells Ross that she had always loved him, even after marrying Francis. This of course throws Ross into confusion that he doesn’t easily shake. But even so, I’m not convinced these seeds would have grown significant if not for the tragic turn of events in the middle of season 2 and partway through book 4, Warleggan

Francis’s death is perhaps the cruelest blow for Elizabeth thus far. Earlier on, his failed suicide made him realize that he could turn his life around if he made the effort, so he does. He becomes the husband and father he wanted to be, reconciles with Ross, and apologizes to Demelza in one of the most moving scenes in the books and show alike. So then, his accidental death is unquestionably “the bitterest irony,” as the author so eloquently notes. Grief weighs Elizabeth down even more, and her resentment grows deeper. Even after the dinner at Mr. Penvenen’s, Francis was doing an admirable job of repairing their relationship. But after his death, she feels helpless, confused, and alone, and despite the genuineness of those feelings, she uses them to her advantage where Ross is concerned.
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Ross is maddeningly weak-willed when it comes to Elizabeth (more on that later), and when she’s free to marry again, his fantasies over her gain new traction. I think Elizabeth finds satisfaction in that because she’s weathered so many past disappointments and now grief that she never expected. She justifies his attentions with her difficult circumstances (and they certainly are difficult) even though she inwardly knows they’re wrong. But she rationalizes them anyway with thoughts along the lines of, “Well don’t I deserve something that I want after all I’ve been through?” And I believe that line of thinking contributes heavily to the awful night at Trenwith after she writes to Ross that she’s going to marry George Warleggan. Both of these plot lines are obviously closely tied, so one at a time. 

First, George. My initial reaction, like that of many others, was something like this: 


And she should have known better because she knows how he’s tried to ruin Ross’s life despite her attempts to deny it to herself. Desperation has simply driven her to thinking that she can maybe fix the things about George that are less admirable. And her confusing feelings toward Ross also contributed to the decision. At first, Elizabeth knew it would set Ross off and likely make him protest, which he certainly did with disastrous results. But then later, when Ross didn’t return after the night at Trenwith, anger and resentment toward him fueled her to go ahead after some hesitation. All of these are obviously terrible reasons to marry someone. 

And yet. There are complexities. I hate it but I love it. Let’s be clear – George Warleggan is probably one of the most despicable people in all of fiction. But his feelings for Elizabeth are incredibly well-written in the books. For all his evil, his love for her is genuine. It’s almost a redeeming quality for him in the books, and in the show, he does demonstrate true care for her even though his attentions initially may seem awkward and no more than empty flattery. But he's doing what he knows how to do, and we do get occasional glimpses of maybe a hint of a soul in him (serious props to Jack Farthing's performance of him, for reals). So in Elizabeth’s situation, it would be a relief to have someone like George showing concern. And when he proposes, Ross aside, Elizabeth sees a nearly immediate solution to all her problems. She’s an impoverished widow in her late twenties, so she’s lost much of her eligibility for future marriage prospects (again, think 1700s standing and money are more important than love). Plus, she has a sick mother to care for, and apart from a miracle, her son would have nothing to live on when he grew up. Enter George Warleggan. Literally an overnight fix to everything, as the book describes so well: 

“He was offering her all this as the price of marriage: her son lacking for nothing, all her problems solved… Upstairs was her mother, crippled and fretful, and her father, indecisive and endlessly complaining. She had ridden over in the rain and tonight or tomorrow she must ride back to Trenwith, which would greet her unlighted and unheated and with all its problems still to solve. And years of loneliness and sick-nursing lay ahead. And on the other side was light and warmth and companionship and care.” (Warleggan; Book 3, Chapter 2) 

George and Elizabeth (Jack Farthing and Heida Reed) in Poldark Season 3
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Beneath all the confusion and wrong motivations, Elizabeth still feels backed into a corner, as any woman would have in her situation back then. So objectively, she would have been a fool to turn down someone with George’s resources, but subjectively, there were reasons that should have perhaps made her pause. 

And of course, all of her complicated feelings toward Ross encompass a big reason that Elizabeth should have paused. She rightly supposes that he will loudly object to the marriage and cherishes some hope that it could lead to something more between them. And of course he does object, but she’s hardly prepared for just how loudly. Upon reading her letter with the news, Ross reacts somewhat like this, practically transforming into some fiendish alien. And a truly outrageous display of temper, selfishness, and vulgarity on his part ensues. Elizabeth is certainly not to blame for Ross’s utter desertion of reason and control on the night of their affair. There’s no doubt that he was the instigator of that night – he kicked in a window (door in the show), pushed into her room, picked the argument like a petty schoolboy, and ultimately used physical force with her in his anger. But it’s still clear that Elizabeth had wanted a reaction and some declaration of love from him. Ross of course just childishly takes the bait and then leaves a far larger problem than she’d pictured in her fantasies. 

Elizabeth and Ross (Heida Reed and Aidan Turner) in Season 1. I've heard it said that everything starts with a thought, and there were certainly way too many entertained thoughts in both of them for a long time.
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This infamous scene at Trenwith always raises questions and debates, so to be plain, no, I do not think it was rape. I reached this part in the show before I'd read it in the book, and due to media hype before the fateful episode aired, I was prepared for a scene that echoed the heartbreaking rape storyline in Downton Abbey involving Anna Bates. But this sequence in Poldark was drastically different. In Downton Abbey, Anna screamed and struggled and was cut and bleeding afterwards. But in Poldark, Elizabeth gave in after minimal resistance and was sleeping peacefully the next morning, indicating that she was not displeased and she had let Ross stay all night. Was Ross to blame? No question. But was Elizabeth also at fault? Absolutely. This plot line is a difficult one, but I think we need look no further than the book itself for the best explanation of it. The scene itself is purposely ambiguous, but to fully understand it, the entirety of the books is necessary, and this passage at the end of Warleggan is telling: 

The bitterness of Elizabeth’s tones and looks had only surprised Ross in their degree. He had expected her enmity… but after the initial resistance that night there had been no particular indication that she hated him. Her attitude towards him during a number of years, and particularly the last two, was more than anything else responsible for what had happened, and she must have known it. Her behavior that night had shown that she knew it. (Warleggan; Book 4, Chapter 6) 

In other words, Elizabeth knew by the end of that night that she had wanted this, and it was her last-ditch effort at getting something she wanted after so much disappointment. It was the explosion of years’ worth of pent-up frustration and unsatisfied feelings. But her perfected art of putting on a show had also made her forget how to be honest with herself, so both before and after that night, I think she was chasing the fantasy of being with Ross and not thinking rationally at all. What does she want? Well, maybe for Ross to come to her and suggest they go away together, for Demelza to wish them happily ever after, for all her problems to magically disappear, etc. So, nothing realistic. And if it were to come down to it, I don’t think Elizabeth would ever actually go away with Ross – she’s too much of a pragmatist. But happiness has always been elusive for Elizabeth and she can’t help hoping something will change, and after she and Ross sleep together, it’s natural for her to expect something from him. Some clarification, some apology, some next step. He left her in the morning with nothing but a weak “I’ll be in touch” adieu, after all. If Ross had been single, the appropriate thing to do in that time period would have been to marry Elizabeth, so it makes sense for her to expect something. But Ross gives no such thing, thereby grossly insulting everyone affected by the affair. 

And here we come to the crowning tension. As much as Elizabeth is to blame, I've still found myself frustrated with Ross far more often than I am with her. For whatever reason, he always goes weak at the knees around her and it's positively galling after the first several books. He and Demelza have been to the edge of the cliff and back again after losing Julia, Demelza's struggles in becoming proper Mistress Poldark, Ross's many scrapes with the law... and on and on. But he still can't seem to get it through his thick head that Demelza is better for him in every way. This is where we'll pick up next time – Ross's undeniable part in all the problems involving Elizabeth. Many fans lay all the blame at Elizabeth's feet, but I think that does gross injustice to her. 

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So stay tuned! What are your thoughts on the events discussed in this post? How did your opinion of Elizabeth change once the drama of the middle books and Season 2 began? I'd love to hear! 

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  1. I hate that she married George! Yes, poverty loomed but she and her family were still so much better off than many. I'm on The Stranger from the Sea (book 8) so I'm sure my views are shaped by her actions after Season 2. I really can't stop reading them so I'm going to go ahead and read them all!
    George is just so evil. It's hard to find any redeeming qualities. Elizabeth was beautiful and educated. I just wish she could have found someone else. They married quite soon after Francis' death. But the story wouldn't be very interesting or realistic if everyone was good and kind!

    1. Her marriage to George was certainly not the wisest choice, but at the same time, I can't say I entirely blame her. I really did feel bad for her as I read the books. She felt cornered and so uncertain of how she and Geoffrey Charles would be provided for, a very legitimate fear for that time period! And even though I hate George, again, I still don't think he's entirely one-dimensional. He really does love Elizabeth very much and I think they'd actually do quite well together if he wasn't always scheming!

  2. Super appreciative of your deep thoughts into the ever thought-provoking Elizabeth. So many people are so quick to say that they despise her, and for what? By and large, it's simply for having a dark shadowy corner of Ross's heart, from long before he met Demelza. I do believe every other reason that those that hate Elizabeth give are sheer excuses. She is hated for being a threat to the holy ship of Romelza, and is therefore not to be given compassion or anything else short of contempt. Just for example, so many fan can sympathize with other characters that participated in infidelity (Dwight and Karen, even, and later Demelza and Hugh), but because this is Elizabeth... nope, no empathy. She gets all kinds of labels. And I truly do not believe Elizabeth was expecting Ross to come to her bed. He wore her down. Were he to have heeded her initial requests (first to meet her downstairs, then to please leave) it surely would never have happened. I could write a book on it, myself. But again, thank you.

    1. I'm so glad it's not just me, Charlotte! It's super encouraging to have support, haha. It annoys me too that so many fans have such focused contempt for Elizabeth. I love Ross and Demelza as much as the next fangirl (they're my favorites, honestly!), but the fact remains that Elizabeth and Ross simply have a history that neither of them can help, and they're both to blame for how they allow that history to interfere with how they move forward with their respective spouses. I don't see how Elizabeth deserves any more criticism than Ross. I agree that Ross wore her down - I see that both on the night itself and in the days leading up to it. How was she supposed to interpret all of his attention after Francis died? And you're so right to mention the empathy people seem to have for all the other characters who commit infidelity. People have all sorts of excuses for Demelza when she slips up with Hugh, but when it comes to Elizabeth and Ross, Elizabeth is always the despised one. Makes no sense to me! And I don't understand how anyone can watch how Francis treats her for most of their marriage and not feel pity. That would drive any woman into despair! Anyways, I obviously could write a book too, haha :) Thank you for your thoughts!

  3. Dude, yes! I've never ever understood all the hate that Elizabeth gets. Naturally, I'm also a Romelza shipper (as is everyone, I swear!), but to me, Elizabeth adds such beautiful tragedy and complexity to the whole picture. I cannot hate her for it. Who wouldn’t want Ross? I love it all. Ross being torn, Demelza later also being torn (with Hugh, of course), and Elizabeth just there floundering, trying to do her best. Her marriage to George was nothing but a practical choice. Surely she was as gorgeous as they come, and from a good family, but I don't believe Ross was entirely accurate with his statement, "you could have your pick of thirty men." He was blinded by his affections. To me, Elizabeth had precious few options. For all her good qualities, she also had a heap of debts left to her by Francis. Not to mention the extra ‘baggage’ of her own child, and in the books BOTH of her ailing parents, as well as now Agatha to look after, and an estate in dire need of attention of funds. She was also in her late twenties by then. And while not 'old' by today's standards, she was teetering on that edge by 1700's standards. George was likely the very best option she could manage. Plus, in her mind, since Francis' death George had very much become fond of Geoffrey Charles (despite that having been a ruse), and promised to make him his heir. Again a bit of a ruse, but Geoffrey was her beloved, and how could she not accept that? For him? She was too trusting in George, and now I do believe she sees it and understands it, and that’s why she’s self-medicating. It makes me sad to see what the show is doing to her as a character. But when I look at it through Debbie Horsefield’s lens, what choice did they have, other than to purposefully make Elizabeth a villain? If she had remained the demure and sweet (albeit flirty) Elizabeth of the first two seasons, boy would that have made Ross look like a horse’s @ss. In my mind, the Elizabeth of the series was sacrificed at the altar of ‘hero’ Ross Poldark. And it makes me so upset.

    1. Agreed SO many times over! As the book emphasizes so well, she saw an immediate solution in George's offer. She clearly trusted him too much, but you're totally right - what other choice did she have with all the problems she was facing? Debts, ailing relatives, a son she adores but who has no future... I can totally understand her thought processes. Even now I can't see her as a villain through and through even in the show. I think the show still mirrors the books pretty well. In both, I think she just becomes totally embittered with life, and as this post series keeps saying, I just think it's so tragic. Her hardness comes out especially in the way she won't stand up for Morwenna in the middle books, I'd say. The way she handles that did make me angry at her, but there's still no denying that she's had quite a few hard knocks. And there are real people like Elizabeth who let that happen to them, so I think there's much to be gleaned from watching her journey. So glad there are other people out there who can find sympathy for her as well! I often feel like a loner, haha!

  4. Çoğuna katılıyorum. showu yeni izledim ve sayfana denk geldim, elizabeth veda sahnesini izledikten sonra:(( elizabethi çok sevdim, Çünkü karmaşayı severim ve o olmasaydı dizi başbaska olurdu. Bunu Heida da söylüyordu. Rossu suçlamışsın evet ama bana yeterli gelmedi. Üstelik dul olduğu zamanlarda ilk madene gitmek istemesi dışında elizabethin rossa karşı bir beklentisini ve isteğini görmedim. Tam tersi hep geçmişlerinden bahseden kişi ross olmuştur. (kırlarda elizabethi izlediğini sanması ve geçmişe özlem, eskiden üşürdün demesi vs) yani showun tamamında her zaman geçmişten bahseden kişi ross. Eli ross'un evliliğe karşı geleceğini biliyordu ama ona saldiracağını tabiki hesaba katmadı. Zaten senin de dediğin gibi dönemi düşündüğümüzde Eli'nin böyle bir şey istemesi imkansız. O zaman için çok büyük bir skandal. Zaten çoğu insanın valentine'a karşı başlarda soğuk davranmasının sebebinin bile o gece olduğunu anladığını sanmıyorum. Çünkü dizi annelik kavramı olarak olarak her zaman elizabethi demalzanın önüne koymuştur. Ross'un kendi çocuk ve karısı varken hala eli'i düşünmesi beni de çıldırttı. Bu showun kadın karakterlerini çok seviyorum! Rossun elizabethi de demalzayı da hakkettiğini düşünmüyorum. Ross'un zayıf noktasının elizabeth olması kendisinin suçudur. Ve demalzanın bazen nasıl ses çıkarmadığıni ve kabul ettiğini hiç anlayamadim. Bu sebepten günümüz kadınını canlandırsa da onu asla içselleştiremedim. Mesela kitapta dizinin aksine elizabethin francise geoffrey Charles doğduktan sonra tüm sevgisini ona verip kocasını ihmal etmesi dizi de yok. Ve sen de bu kısmı kitapları okumana rağmen rossu sevmesi ve francisin başarısız olmasına bağlamışsın. Kitapta tam tersi. Hatta dem'e evlat aşkı her şeyin üstüne çıkar diyordu. Mesela Elizabethe yeten o evlat aşkı, hugh geldiğinde kocası tarafından yine itmal edilen demalzaya yetmedi. Evet demalza hislerinin peşinden gidiyor ve kilise öpüşmesi tetikliyor ama yapmak zorunda değildi. En azindan çocuğu için. Rossun yaptığından bir farkı kalmadi. Amaç belki buydu bilmiyorum ama yolunu beğenmedim. En çok takıldığım nokta demalza ölüm döşeğindeyken hayatımın aşkı için dua et sözünü aşk itirafı olarak anlamak. Buna çok şaşırdım. Çünkü açık bir şekilde elizabethin canını yakmak istedi! Hatta bunu Elizabeth bile anladı. Ross bu konuda demalzadan daha katı. 2.sezonu hatırlayın. Barışma yemeği için çağırıldıklarında gidemeyiz, onlar julianın katili derken bile aşırı tepki verdiğini damelza hep söyledi. Ve ross ertesi gün eski nişanlısına yürümeye devam etti. Julia öldükten sonra duygusal karmaşa ve uzaklaşma demiştin sanırım ama o sahneye kadar çok zaman geçiyor zaten. Demzalzadan çok elizabeth ile bitmemiş alakası yüzündendi sözleri. Aşk böyle şeyleri aşamaz mi? (bu arada benim cevabım kesinlikle aşar olurdu, çoğu kişinin aksine demalza rossun şartlarına ayak uyduruyor yardım ediyor tezini savunmuyorum. Çünkü demalza az ile yetinmeseydi rossun daha çok akıllıca kararlar alabileceğini düşünüyorum. Ross demalzaya sezonların büyük bir kısmında ya hiç danışmıyor, veya demalzanın dediğinin tersini yapıyordu. Hatta demalzanın elinde süpürgeyle serzenişi çok doğruydu. Elizabethin francis mallarını kaybettiğinde nasıl davrandığını gördük. Bu yüzden elizabeth sadece zengin olmayı seviyor demek bence yanlış. Hatta bu repliği ross 'ben elizabethe istediği hayatı veremezdim' söylüyor. Fakat ross hep elizabethin öyle olduğunu düşünüyor. Zengin olduğu için hep öyle düşündü. Ilk bölümü hatırla. Veritye francisin ne kadar zengin olduğunu mu farketti diyordu. Daha sonra adını unuttuğun yaşlı adama da 'reverans yapmasını bilecek değil tabuk kesmesini bilecek kadin lazım' demişti. Yani ben hiçbir zaman demalzanın düşük standartlarının rossa uygun olmasından başka elizabethe tercih sebebini göremedim. Sanki bilerek yapılmış gibiydi. Neyse ben showu izlediğimde ross gibi birinin asla evlenip çocuk yapmaması gerektiğini düşündüm ve hala düşünüyorum�� Demalzanın kitapta ben hep elizabeth ile yarışmak zorunda kaldım repliği kalbimi çok kırmıştı

    I agree with most of them. I just came across your page :(( I loved elizabeth very much, Because I love chaos and if it wasn't for her the show would have been different. Heida was saying this too. You accused Ross, yes, but it wasn't enough for me. Moreover, Elizabeth had an expectation and wish for Ross, except that she wanted to go to the first mine when she was a widow. On the contrary, it has always been ross who talked about their past (saying that he was watching elizabeth in the countryside, implying that the light he brought to his eyes is even now, and longing for the past, saying that you used to be cold etc.), that is, the person who always talks about the past throughout the show. He knew he was coming, but of course he didn't take into account that he would attack her. As you said, when we think about the period, it is impossible for Eli to want such a thing. It's a huge scandal for that time. I don't think you even understand that the reason why most people were cold towards Valentine at first was that night. Because the serial as a concept of motherhood always elizabethi demalza has put it before him. It drove me crazy that Ross still thought of Elizabeth with his own kid and wife. I love the female characters of this show! I don't think Ross deserves both Elizabeth and Demalza. It's his fault that Ross' weak spot is Elizabeth. And I never understood how demalza sometimes doesn't sound and accepts. For this reason, although she portrays today's woman, I could never internalize her. For example, in the book, unlike the series, there is no TV show where Elizabeth francise geoffrey Charles gave her all her love and neglected her husband after she was born. And you attribute this part to the fact that you love Ross even though you've read the books, and that Francis fails. In the book it's the opposite. He even said that demalzaya's love for a child rises above everything else. For example, the love of children that was enough for Elizabeth was not enough for the demalza, which was neglected by her husband when Hugh came. Yes demalza goes after her feelings and church kiss triggers but she didn't have to. At least for her child. It was no different than what Ross did. Maybe that was the goal, I don't know, but I didn't like your way. The point I get stuck with the most is understanding the phrase pray for the love of my life when demalza is on her deathbed as a confession of love. I was very surprised by this. Because he clearly wanted to hurt Elizabeth! Even Elizabeth understood this. Ross is more strict on this than demalza. Remember season 2. We can't go when they are called for the reconciliation dinner, damelza always said that she overreacted even when they said Julian's murderer. And ross kept walking to his ex-fiancee the next day. I think you said emotional turmoil and distancing after Julia died, but it's been a while before that scene. His words were because of his unfinished relationship with Elizabeth rather than Demzalza. Cannot love overcome such obstacles? (By the way, my answer would definitely yes, unlike most people, I do not defend the thesis that demalza keeps up with ross conditions and helps. Because I think that ross would have made more wise decisions if demalza was not content with less. Ross either does not consult demalza for most of the seasons, or what dem says. She was doing the opposite. In fact, demalza's reproach with a broom was very true.

  6. We saw how Elizabeth behaved when francis lost her property. That's why I think it's wrong to say that elizabeth just likes to be rich. In fact, this line of ross says 'elizabeth wants a rich life, I couldn't give it to her.' Caroline: Okay. what do you want? Bastard ross:A wife who won't hesitate to get her hands dirty. WTF. Ross always thought that was Elizabeth. She always thought so because she was rich. Remember the first episode. Did Veritye realize how rich Francis was? He was saying later to the old man whose name you forgot. 'Not a woman who will know how to bow, but a woman who will know how to cut a chicken l he said, 'I am little. So I've never seen a reason for preferring Elizabeth other than the low standards of demalza being in line with Ross. It was like it was done on purpose. Anyway, when I watched the show, I thought that someone like Ross should never get married and have children and I still think � Demalza's line in the book I always had to compete with Elizabeth broke my heart. But eleoner's graceful acting and her voice and eyes on every E&R subject touched my heart. I wished he hadn't been so in love with ross and had gone his own way. Most fans of Ross' character don't understand her obsession with Elizabeth (especially since her hand is colder in the book) but I think your longing for yourself in the past and the innocence of that time is also influential. It drove me crazy that ross watched his fiancee even at the christening of his own daughter in the series and that he was clearly not satisfied with his life in the conversation he had with enys. (by the way, my imaginary couple dem&enys:)) And of course, demalza's dishonest words, be honest with himself, with me, with him were so true that ❤️ Ross never apologized for being with elizabeth. It was very puffy. The confession of love in that scene never took me in. It was like a confession that one slipped from my hand and I couldn't lose the other. Moreover, for the first time, he openly says that he loves Elizabeth. For me it doesn't matter if he loves someone more, because as I said, ross doesn't give me a valid reason to favor demalza. He doesn't say he's sorry, but he wants everything to go back to the way it was. He already says in the book that he wouldn't have regretted it if it didn't hurt anyone at another time, but before he said that, he said to his wife openly, yes, we couldn't resist the thing between us, but you'll understand:) very funny :)

  7. Let me get back to the middle, the part that I consider important is left unfinished. I never see that confession at the end of season 1 as love. I say it again. I think ross was a man in love with both women. Also, this man has lost his daughter, he is in danger of losing his wife, he has been through war, he has lost his father, but geoffrey charlesa still glorifies the pain of love to the extent that he says "first love is not an eternal love, but the pain it gives cannot be compared with anything else". I think this line really impressed me. I'm sorry, I can't look at the romelza couple romantically like everyone else :)) different opinions :)) in the same scene, when my mother said, was she right about her choice, we might have smiled bitterly when she replied, "You were born, right?" Or just me :)) but when we look at it as ross, it was true that he said that this made me choose something else and that thing saved me. Because as many people say, Elizabeth and Ross couldn't be, demalza saved Ross's life, made her conditions easier, she didn't complain. I agree with the other meaning here, but demalza saved ross who was suffering from love, became an ointment to his heart, and then became a hanger. One of the saddest R&E scenes for me was when Elizabeth said she was pregnant. Aidan's acting over there blew me away. His look.. It was devastating to me to realize later that when there was so much evidence, what else did he need, and that he still had no hope. Does demalza write stupid on my forehead? Haha :) And again I would like to write the detail that a few people noticed. I hope you read, I'm not writing in vain:( After Ross's line in the first part I said above, did he realize that he had money, ross apologizes and says, "I wish I could help, veritye says I have to deal with it myself". We always watch him work like he does. When his uncle said that you are getting too tired, he said, "He keeps me from thinking". Since the beginning of the 3rd season, we hear that Rossu is working at full capacity, just like in the first episode, and demalza is complaining about it. And he says Rossa as if to escape from something.. Yes Then comes the news of the mine but I don't think it's just him. Ross admitted it when he said you ignore the things you don't want to think about for Ross. And in the same episode by the fireplace, I watched as 'The stupid woman has forgiven your ox and you are still cold towards the woman! !!. " really ross is amazing. He's like wood. But I'm skeptical of elizabeth's influence in his life. I think it's more than most people see. And I confess. Even though I've teamed up with George and Elizabeth, I love how the R&E two act as if it's just the two of them in their scenes (especially in the first episode dance scene, I was so upset when they were shy at first, then forgot everything but themselves and acted like a couple. Verity was warning you. You remember them. He forgot you ross, you too "Look your way. The scene there is actually my reference. It's been a long time since then. Don't pretend it's just the two of them. I think it makes sense that Elizabeth had once had all of Ross's heart and that Elizabeth had to die in order for Demalza to be completely alone. Demalza didn't deserve this but" That's what the show gave us. Demalza's self-sacrifice should have made her love kids get her out of their hearts faster as cold as i want. long ya I'm sorry. Ross die! Long live the Poldark womens and enys drake!